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Monday at 06:30 PM
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Have you ever been in a Greek restaurant?

If so what did you order?

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Monday at 03:04 PM
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Hi Hiro,


Today we would never say Υπάρχει πολλά άτομα εδώ (verb in the singular, subject in the plural), however, in the Attic dialect of ancient Greek it would be correct, ex. Τα παιδία παίζει, a very well-known phrase to all Greeks. I'm unaware of when exactly this syntax disappeared. Perhaps you could do a research on ancient attic dialect (αττική διάλεκτος) on the internet.


I'm sorry I can't be more of help with this.


All the best,


Stefania

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Hiro
Saturday at 02:39 AM
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Hi Stefania

As to the sentence Υπάρχει πολλά άτομα εδώ, I would like to know when this syntax disappeared.

More then 3000 yeras of Greek, very difficult for me.

But I recognise this is incorrect.


Many thanks

GreekPod101.com
Friday at 04:20 AM
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Hi Hiro,


About the της question, please check out on Intermediate lesson 20 the section in the lesson notes about the definite pronoun μόνος μου:

https://www.greekpod101.com/lesson/intermediate-20-thats-what-greek-friends-are-for/


Then please let me know if you still have any questions about this.


As for:

Υπάρχουν πολλά άτομα εδώ.

It's not possible to say Υπάρχει πολλά άτομα εδώ because the subject is in the plural (πολλά άτομα) and the verb needs to be in the plural as well since it's not used here as an impersonal verb. So this syntax is very regular. If you want to learn more about impersonal verbs, check out Upper Intermediate lesson 12:

https://www.greekpod101.com/lesson/upper-intermediate-12-planning-a-night-of-dancing-in-greece/


Kind regards,


Stefania

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Hiro
Thursday at 07:01 AM
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Hello Stefania

I am unable to understand the της of this sentence.

Ήρθε μόνη της στο πάρτι.

It can be Ok without της.????

What kind of value does it have? Does it mean herself, so to speak, is it a syntactic intensification?

Does it come always in genitive?

Many thanks

Hiro

Hiro
Thursday at 06:41 AM
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Hello Stefania

As to the phrase above.

Υπάρχουν πολλά άτομα εδώ.

Is it possible to say : Υπάρχει πολλά άτομα εδώ.? Because the subject is plural neutral.

Does modern greek keep this syntax?

Many thanks

Hiro

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Friday at 08:15 PM
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Hi Veronica,


"You are" in plural can be either είσαστε or είστε. It's the same thing (like "tu" and "vos" in Spanish), however "είστε" sounds a bit more standard and it's what you would hear in the TV news or in formal conversations apart from everyday life as well. Είσαστε just sounds more casual.


Σε χαιρετώ!


Stefania,

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Veronica
Thursday at 03:35 PM
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Hi Stefania,


I remember seeing somewhere that "you are" translates as είστε, but here, "how many people are you?" uses είσαστε. Is there a difference between "you are" and "are you"? Or is είσαστε perhaps the polite form of the verb?


Thank you,

Veronica

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Friday at 08:14 PM
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Hi Julie,


I understand your confusion.


First of all, the phrases are correct. There are a few ways you can answer the question "Πόσα άτομα είσαστε;":


1) Τρία.

2) Είμαστε τρεις.

3) Είμαστε τρία άτομα.


1) It's just that people, usually don't use "to be" + a neuter standalone numeral to refer to themselves. Here "τρία" without a verb is a very direct answer of the word "άτομα" and "πόσα;" that was mentioned in the question. You want to use the verb "to be"? Then the answer No2 is for you.


2) Either it's a group of men or women only, or a mixed group, the answer "Είμαστε τρεις" is the appropriate one for humans. It doesn't matter that the question above is "άτομα" and "πόσα". It's like answering with the word "humans" in mind: Είμαστε τρεις (άνθρωποι).


3) If you however what to use a more longer version and answer with "άτομα" in mind, not "άνθρωποι" (because that's what is in the question), then you can say the sentence No3. Είμαστε τρία άτομα.


That's why we also have "Είμαστε τέσσερα άτομα". This sentence can also be:

Είμαστε τέσσερις. [as in "Είμαστε τέσσερις (άνθρωποι)]


Does it make more sense now? Let me know if you still have questions!


Stefania

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Julie Stacey
Thursday at 08:35 PM
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Γεια σou Στεφανια

Thank you for your comments and help. I know I am bad at spelling especially where to put the accents!


Your explanation about the neutral and masculine/feminine use of one, three and four makes sense, however I am still a little confused as in the lesson notes it reads


Πόσα άτομα είσαστε;

Είμαστε τρεις.

Είμαστε τέσσερα άτομα.


So to the question how many people are you, shouldn't the answer be


Είμαστε τρια instead of Είμαστε τριες ?


Τζουλι

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Thursday at 06:51 PM
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Hi Julie!


I've had this question a few times, so I will paste below an answer that I gave recently to another listener:


Τρία is what we call an “absolute numeral”. We use it when you count in general, 1, 2, 3, 4, ….

However when it is used as an adjective, for example three children, three men, three women, then it needs to agree with the gender of the word that follows. So we have:


Τρεις άντρες

Τρεις γυναίκες

Τρία παιδιά


Τρεις is for masculine and feminine and τρία for neuter.


You have to decline the following absolute numerals when used as adjectives:


1 ένα

3 τρία

4 τέσσερα


Those get declined like this:

http://screencast.com/t/lCbaPervQWk


Just as an extra information for you, number 2 and numbers 5-100 have only one form for all genders and declination cases. It’s only numbers 1, 3 and 4 that differ between genders.


However be careful. You might not always have a noun right after the numeral, so it might not be easy to treat it as an adjective. In that case you have to pay attention to the context. For example:

Πόσα παιδιά έχεις; - How many kids do you have? (kids = Neuter)

Τρία.

Πόσους βώλους έχεις; - How many marbles do you have? (marbles = Masculine)

Τρεις.

Πόσες γυναίκες βλέπεις; - How many women do you see? (women = Feminine)

Τρεις.


I hope it’s clear!


I also noticed some few issues with your spelling. Here are the corrections:

Μ' αρέσει η τσιπούρα. (not μ’αροέσι σιπουρα)

τρεις (not τριες)

είσαστε/είστε (not ειασατε or ειασαστε)

τέσσερα/τέσσερις (not τεσσορα/τεσσοριες)


I'm glad though that you write in Greek! It's the only way to learn!


Keep it up!


Stefania,

Team GreekPod101.com